Award season is here, and the Orioles’ Santander is a Gold Glove finalist

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• With Hays in LF, Mullins in CF, and Santander in RF, the Orioles might have their best defensive alignment going forward.

  • Mountcastle will be playing left next year and Manicini on first hopefully. We may still have to endure Davis on first too occasionally

  • And Diaz will arrive sometime next year.

  • Bhoff I’m just curious as you seem to be very knowledgeable about what’s happening with the O’s. I heard almost nothing about Diaz from the alternate site this past season. What makes you feel so certain he’ll be in their plans for next season? It would be nice if the main guy they got for Machado would become a regular but I certainly haven’t heard a word about him as far as his performance goes at all.

  • You heard nothing because you weren’t listening when Elias spoke about how great he’s looked or when his teammate Dean Kremer said he’s a five tool player and the ball explodes off his bat.

• Great article. Thanks.

  After reading this article I have a much, much better understanding of the phrase "small sample size".

  • Thank you, Triangle.

• Very interesting that Santander's up for that award. More interesting is his comoetition--Gallo I assumed was a DH type and Frazier a part-time player. Back to Santander--thought he had flaws coming in on the ball(he and Alberto let a few drop in because of hesitancy),not quick to the gaps. But I guess I'm wrong--which is good. As far as a Mullins,Hays,Santander OF yes it looks good until Diaz,Kjerstad,Jarrett etc. arrive. So we'll see. Just refreshing to be going in the right direction is the main thing.

  • Surprised me as well. I knew Santander had a nice season but that was mainly at the plate. He never struck me as exceptional with the leather, in fact the talk about him coming into this season was that he was a potential liability out there.

• I would assume Mancini & Mountcastle will be in the mix as OFers...go O’s...

• Had Mountcastle started the season, I believe he would now be the favorite. His eligibility for
  next year is meaningless, except that undecided voters this year might be disinclined to vote for
  him since another candidate would not have a chance next year. Plus, voters next year might
  prefer not to vote for a red-shirt rookie.

  • As long as Mountcastle is eligible, it shouldn’t affect how the writers vote. If he deserves ROY, he will get it. Ichiro was ROY in 2001 and was 28. And I’m not sure about this, Rich could clear this up. Don’t the baseball writers rotate the end of season awards every year? So this years voters wouldn’t necessarily be the same voters next year.

    • I agree, Clay, that if Mountcastle plays like a 28-year-old Ichiro, he will have a good shot at ROY. I also agree that biases and sentiments shouldn't affect the way people vote. But "shoulds" are not always realities. I don't want to make too much of this, but I believe that if Mountcastle had played the full season at the level he played half a season, he would win now and that a certain present is preferable to a potential future. Still, he may get it this year. After all, Santander's up for a gold glove on a partial season.

    • John, you are correct. It's customary for voters to not have the same assignment in consecutive years.

• I don't know what the heck the rest of y'all were watching but let's get real.

  I love Anthony. Love the guy. I've been saying for quite some time, going back to his rule 5 year and Bowie, that this guy has the look of a star player. Nobody that reads this site can tell me otherwise, but ....

  A gold glove candidate? Really? Puhleeeeeeeeze. It's come to this? If it's down to him, Frazier and Joey Gallo, all I can say is how far the bar has sunk since the days of Clemente, Dawson, Winfield and Valentine! Maybe Mookie being is Lala land helps as well, but frankly, it's laughable.

  I don't know spit about what the metrics say, but I know a player when I see one, and despite being in the bag for Tony, frankly, defensively this guy couldn't hold the jock of one Nicky Markakis. Remember kids, you can only make errors if you get to the ball. Maybe it's due to a lack of competition in right, but this guy isn't a gold glover. And neither are Gallo and Frazier.

  • I should add... great read today Rich. You got me all fired up.

    • I'll be perfectly frank, I think I am a fairly astute observer of the game of baseball and I don't know that I cold tell you the difference between a Gold Glove rightfielder and an average one. It's not like Shortstop or Catcher. Outside of the occasional Dave Parker gunning down Brian Downing at the plate, can a person really tell the difference in 60 games with the naked eye?

      • Steve, awards voting is always subjective, and fielding voting, of which the Baseball Writers are not a part, is extremely subjective. As I wrote, there's no voting for the Gold Gloves this year. It's purely done by the metrics, which can also be subjective.

      • BanMo .. the example you give ... Parking gunning down Downing ... I don't remember specifically, but I get the point. However the arm is only part of the defensive equation. Maybe there isn't a whole lot of difference in today's AL players, but certainly you can see a difference between a Mookie Betts going & getting 'em vs. an Anthony Santander? I'm old enough to remember seeing Clemente roam what used to be vast the right fields of some of the older ball parks and how much ground he covered. Winfield likewise. And the others I listed certainly would, and did cover more ground than Santander does. I don't remember those guys shying away from the wall like Anthony does either. I'm certainly not the most astute observer of the game, but I do think I can tell the difference between an average player, and one that I think of as Gold Glover

        Maybe it's just a lack of great defensive right fielders this year, I dunno, but I DO know right field is where you tell the last kid picked on your team to go stand. Maybe it's that simple this year? I've seen great defensive players in right field before, and those 3 ain't great.

        • Boog, would you accept Al Kaline and Dewey Evans on your list?

        • Boog, the guys you are talking about are Hall of Famers. If the bar for a Gold Glove is “plays like Clemente”, gonna be awful tough to give one out every year.

        • Dawson and Valentine weren't. Markakis isn't. How about guys like Dewey Evans which WillMiranda brought up? (sorry Will, I don't remember seeing Kaline)

          There are others that aren't HOF that were way better than Santander. My point is, Santander and the other 2 finalists really aren't that good defensively, and yet, they're up for Gold Gloves?

    • Thank you, Ken. Happy to get you going.

  • I’m sure I’m just showing my age now but I’m SO sick and tired of metrics taking over baseball. It’s because of metrics young fans will never again see a Palmer, Seaver or Gibson, guys who threw complete games regularly. They probably won’t ever see a a Rod Carew or Tony Gwynn, guts who just hit line drives all over the field and could not be pitched to or defended. All they’ll see is pitchers throwing as hard as they can and hitters swinging for the fences no matter what the situation is in the game, be it the 1st inning or the 9th. Now apparently the Gold Glove will be awarded because of metrics. Tony Gwynn, thru sheer hard work and a commitment to become the best all around player he could possibly be, won 5 Gold Gloves. My guess is the metrics wouldn’t have even considered him for one. Yet it appears Clint Frazier or Joey Gallo may share the same honor as Gwynn. Something is seriously wrong with that. Thanks for letting me rant.

  • Totally agree, how far have they fallen, I like Santander but NEVER would’ve used his name in a sentence with gold glove on it, GG winners make all the plays they should, some they shouldn’t & are spectacular with others, don’t see it...go O’s...

• In my book, Gold Glove outfielders are those who make the homerun-robbing over-the-fence grabs look easy, the ones who make shoestring scoops with their eyes closed. I think of the super athletes, the Kenny Loftons, Griffey Jrs., Jim Edmonds, and Ichiros.

  Defensively, the Santanders of the world are a dime a dozen, and definitely not worthy of even being considered a Gold Glove finalist.

  • I agree with your assessment Rob, but I have to point out that all 4 of the outfielders you mentioned played center field ... not right field.

  • Thanks BRR. I agree with your distinction between CF and RF (although Ichiro did play more than 80 percent of his ML career in right).

    But yes, the bar has been significantly lowered with this year’s nomination.

    • I stand corrected sir.

  • At one time were the GG outfielders voted on like the all star game, top three get the award, or have they always had a GG for each position...asking for a friend...go O’s...

  • Rich wrote above that “Outfield positions were first recognized in 2011.”

    So I assume that prior to 2011, GGs were given to three outfielders (in each league) regardless of their specific position (LF/CF/RF).

  • You are correct, Rob.

  • Thx fellas...go O’s...

• I want to nominate Elias for a new award category as the [fill in the blank] GM.

  • LMAO...go O’s...

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