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Thoughts on Manny Machado’s left hand injury, and revisiting the Miley-Miranda deal

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En route to their dramatic, extra-inning win over the Pittsburgh Pirates on Wednesday, not everything went swimmingly for the Orioles.

Third baseman Manny Machado was forced to leave in the fourth inning with a hand injury, which may require an MRI on Thursday.

The injury occurred in the top of the second, when Andrew McCutchen accidentally spiked Machado’s hand while sliding into third base on a steal.

“On the top of his left hand,” manager Buck Showalter said after the game. “Obviously, a spike with a slide. He had an X-ray, which was negative. They’re talking about getting an MRI [Thursday] just to be on the safe side, make sure we know what we’re dealing with.”

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Initially, after a visit from the Orioles’ training staff, Machado elected to stay in the game. But after the third inning — in which Machado made a poor throw to first on a double-play attempt — Machado exited. Newly acquired utility infielder Ruben Tejada replaced him at third base, making his Orioles debut.

“He got pretty sore,” Showalter said of Machado. “Went down in the cage and didn’t feel good swinging the bat, so decided to be cautious.”

The Orioles initially announced Machado’s injury as left wrist soreness, but Showalter clarified afterward that it was the top of his hand, not the wrist.

“It’s a puncture [on the hand], pretty deep, it’s not stitchable, at least we didn’t think it was. It’s more on the top here, pretty deeply bruised, just kind of deep.”

The Orioles don’t know how long the injury might keep Machado out. It goes without saying — but I’ll say it anyway — that the Orioles are in trouble if Machado ends up missing significant time.

Yes, Machado has struggled offensively this season. He’s hitting .213 with a .718 OPS after grounding into a double play in his only at-bat Wednesday. But, given his track record, he’s not a player that opposing pitchers can take lightly. At any time, Machado is a threat to break out of his slump and re-emerge as a key cog in the lineup.

And while the bat hasn’t been hot, Machado has been putting up another stellar defensive season at third base. That’s where the Orioles will most miss his presence if he’s out of commission. Tejada, a veteran infielder, would be most likely to fill in at third base in the interim, but he isn’t close to the defender Machado is.

The Orioles’ upcoming schedule is unrelenting. They’ll play 18 games in 18 days, starting with a makeup game in D.C. against the Washington Nationals on Thursday and then a three-game series against the division-leading Yankees in New York. A Machado-less lineup, even for a few days, would make the Orioles’ attempt to climb back to the top of the AL East considerably harder.

Revisiting the Miley/Miranda trade

Wade Miley’s strong start to 2017 hit a speed bump in his ugly outing against the Pirates on Wednesday.

Miley, who had allowed just three earned runs in his five home starts this year, gave up four runs and eight hits Wednesday, and Showalter pulled him after just 2 2/3 innings, Miley’s shortest non-injury outing since last Aug. 19.

“Just kept waiting for him to find his step and just didn’t feel like he was ever going to be able to make the adjustment,” Showalter said. “It’s one of the things when a guy that works that quickly and rapidly, when you get out of sync a little bit, it’s tough to slow down. He’s a guy you don’t realize how many pitches he has until you look up there because he works so fast.”

Miley labored for 83 pitches, 46 strikes.

“I just never got in a good rhythm. Just wasn’t very good tonight,” Miley said. “Hopefully we can move past it and make adjustments in a few days.”

Meanwhile, it’s worth mentioning that lefty Ariel Miranda, whom the Orioles traded to the Mariners for Miley last July, is having a breakout season in Seattle. Miranda has been a steady presence amidst an injury-riddled Mariners rotation, going 6-2 with a 3.74 ERA in 12 starts.

In his most recent outing June 4, Miranda had the best performance of his career, pitching his first complete game and racking up nine strikeouts against the Rays. That strong start, juxtaposed with Miley’s blowup Wednesday, might have caused some grumbling among Orioles fans who worry that the club gave away a promising pitcher too soon.

It’s an interesting trade to analyze. Miley, after a dreadful 2016 with the Orioles, has been the club’s second most reliable starter this year behind Dylan Bundy. He entered Wednesday with a 2.82 ERA, fifth best in the AL and nearly a run better than Miranda’s. And Miley, 30, has put up those numbers while pitching half his games at Camden Yards, which historically hasn’t been the most pitcher-friendly environment.

Miranda, 28, has been helped by his spacious home park, Safeco Field. He has a 2.02 ERA in five starts in Seattle and a 5.68 ERA in seven starts on the road. So, there’s reason to believe that if he’d stayed with the Orioles, he wouldn’t be having the same kind of success he has had for the Mariners.

Still, the performances by Miley and Miranda might be more equal than you think. If you look at Fielding Independent Pitching (see my handy-dandy stats guide for a quick FIP primer), Miley had a 4.41 mark entering Wednesday, while Miranda’s was 4.29. Miranda also tops Miley in WHIP, hit rate, walk rate and strikeout rate.

To be clear, the Orioles certainly aren’t complaining about the effort they’ve gotten from Miley this season. He has pitched quite well, Wednesday notwithstanding. On the other hand, Miley is eligible for free agency after this season — unless the Orioles pick up his $12 million option for 2018 — while Miranda is under Seattle’s control through 2022. For an Orioles team that has struggled to develop quality starting pitchers, Miranda could have been a useful depth piece.

The final verdict isn’t in yet on the Miley-Miranda trade. But it’s surely something that the Orioles and their fans will be keeping an eye on.

47 Comments

47 Comments

  1. Wade Warren

    June 8, 2017 at 7:16 am

    if the pirates slid into a Boston third baseman like that you would have seen a brawl. just goes to show you how classy the Orioles team is.

    • Boog Robinson Robinson

      June 8, 2017 at 8:16 am

      You’re 100% correct. This team does have class.

    • Dan Connolly

      June 8, 2017 at 10:46 am

      Did think it was interesting there was no ill feelings. Bad slide. But not intentional.

      • bigdaddydk

        June 8, 2017 at 2:58 pm

        Buck as much as said that too. I thought his comments were conveniently worded to take a little bit of a jab at Boston over their level of butt-hurt. Rumor is the Boston media was calling it karma or something for Manny. They just can’t let it die.

  2. Boog Robinson Robinson

    June 8, 2017 at 7:43 am

    Manny Machado.

    Obviously the poor throw to 1st base wasn’t caused by a sore left hand. What did cause it in my opinion, was Machado’s penchant for showboat throws where he fails to set his feet. Watch the replay .. he had PLENTY of time to set. Though he normally gets away with the “running throw”, it more than likely cost the team 2 runs last night. I admit Manny can make plays that even the sainted Brooks Robinson probably couldn’t have, but his lackadaisical play may ultimately prevent him from being what he could be. His fielding percentage will never approach Brooks’. Platinum glove? Hmmmmmmm … keep this up and he may have seen his last.

    Dare I bundle this type play/attitude with what I said about his maturity level last week? Some around here call it “flair”. I call it being a kid and not respecting the game as he should.

    All that being said, get well soon Manny!!

    • Stacey

      June 8, 2017 at 8:58 am

      Or maybe he was in considerable pain which affected his play overall?

      I cannot understand why so many fans seems intent on vilifying him.

      • Boog Robinson Robinson

        June 8, 2017 at 9:22 am

        Pain-shmain. He doesn’t throw with his left hand Stacey. He managed to catch it with his injured hand didn’t he? It was an easy play and Mr. perfect didn’t make it.

        And I’m not vilifying him. I’ve been watching the O’s since 1969, and he is unquestionably the most physically gifted athlete this franchise has ever had, but being the best is not all about physical talent. In my eye, he’s wasting, if not maximizing all that talent. He could be so, SO much better than he is if he put’s his mind to it. Making nonchalant plays, not running balls out, being buddy buddy with opposing players IN THE MIDDLE OF A GAME is going to bite him in his Hall of Fame-wannbe butt some day. If he wants to be in the Mike Trount/Bryce Harper conversation (and it’s obvious he thinks he already is), he needs to tighten up his act a bit. A sub-.280 lifetime batting average isn’t cutting it.

        • Stacey

          June 8, 2017 at 9:32 am

          I forgot that old men who have been watching the Orioles since the 1960s have the monopoly on knowing how real baseball is played and what kind of pain players can and cannot perform perfectly through, not to mention the mindset of talented players. It must be nice to be so enlightened.

          • Boog Robinson Robinson

            June 8, 2017 at 10:44 am

            Old man? Monopoly on knowing about ‘real’ baseball? Stacey, I meant on offense. Why get personal? I certainly meant no offense.

            Perhaps, instead of attacking my age and gender, this forum would be better served by you explaining to as to just how a left hand injury affects his right throwing hand?

          • risuena

            June 8, 2017 at 11:25 am

            I’m not Stacey, but I can easily see ways in which pain in one hand affects the throw with the other – perhaps the transfer from glove to throwing hand wasn’t as good as it should be? Or perhaps, catching the ball with a painful hand distracted him and made him throw off target? There are all sorts of ways the injury could have affected the throw.

            Also, batting average is far from the be-all and end-all of baseball stats – as others have pointed out, Machado’s pretty great defensively (even if he isn’t perfect). Besides, a .278 career BA is nothing to sneer at.

        • SubZero

          June 8, 2017 at 10:39 am

          I am really tired of these asinine comments. No fielder in the history of the game makes every throw. Everything happens way faster in real life than you see it on camera. Players are going to make mistakes. Manny will have a lower fielding percentage than a lot of players, because he has the biggest range In history. You complain about hi m mishandling balls he never should have had a play on. Offense isn’t everything, and his defense is way better than Trout or Harper.

          • Boog Robinson Robinson

            June 8, 2017 at 10:45 am

            Now SEE STACEY … Subzero makes a decent argument.

        • Paul Folkemer

          June 8, 2017 at 10:43 am

          Boog, I’m still not understanding your obsession with Manny being “buddy buddy” with opposing players. Everyone does that. When a runner gets on base, it’s pretty common to see him chatting it up with the first baseman, second baseman, etc. Opposing players fraternize all the time.

          Contrary to popular belief, most players don’t hold deep-seeded resentment and hatred for the players on the other team. They want to beat each other, sure, but they don’t treat their opponents as if they have rabies and must be avoided at all costs. Nor should they.

          I’m also uncomfortable with the suggestion that Manny isn’t “putting his mind to it.” He’s an elite player who has reached the highest level of his sport and has excelled. Of course he’s putting his mind to it. You need to have incredible mental toughness to succeed at the major league level the way he and other great players have.

          • Boog Robinson Robinson

            June 8, 2017 at 10:48 am

            Does that include leterally “man-hugging an opponent” just after he reached 3rd base safely? Maybe Stacey’s right .. I must be an old curmudgeon.

          • SubZero

            June 8, 2017 at 10:52 am

            I do agree that hugging opposing players is kinda weird. But at the same time, I .can put up with the qwirks for the defense

          • Stacey

            June 8, 2017 at 11:04 am

            Watching Manny Machado play third base is one of the greatest things about watching baseball day to day, in my opinion. He doesn’t look lazy or entitled to me, he looks like a rare talent who clearly has worked his entire life to get where he is. I think it’s easy to accuse players of not trying as hard when they make playing at the highest level look so easy because we take it for granted how amazing it is what we are watching.

            As for being buddy buddy with other players, wearing flashy sneakers and jewelry, etc., that’s just a generational and a cultural difference. Just because it’s different doesn’t mean that it’s bad. I wish more people could respect that.

          • Boog Robinson Robinson

            June 8, 2017 at 11:12 am

            That’s just it Paul, Manny isn’t “great” yet. He SHOULD BE … but last I checked, his lifetime average was below .280 and currently falling. That’s NOT great. I WANT him to be great .. heck everyone around here want’s him to be.

            This morning, I was simply pointing out how he cost the team 2 runs last night with his fundamentally unsound throwing technique, which he repeats time and time again. Let’s put some mustard on the hotdog. Oh … “Flair” …

            Why is it that nobody seems to mention these things about this guy? He could be Brooks an d Frank Robinson wrapped up in one body. I don’t see it happening. I know he’s only 25, but he’s been in the league for 5 years now … when will we see it?

          • Stacey

            June 8, 2017 at 11:17 am

            Boog – Machado is 24 years old and has finished top 10 in MVP voting three times. All three years that he’s played a full season so far he has finished with a WAR >6, and 6+ WAR is considered an MVP-level season.

            Nobody disputes that he is having a really tough year so far. It’s frustrating for everyone, I’d imagine most especially him. But he is great. He has been great.

          • Paul Folkemer

            June 8, 2017 at 11:22 am

            Boog, I’ve definitely noticed opposing players hug each other before. It’s not an everyday occurrence, but I don’t think it’s an everyday occurrence with Manny, either.

            And again, I don’t see how hugging players is relevant. It’s not like Manny is intentionally tanking his at-bats because he doesn’t want to get a hit against a guy he hugged.

          • Boog Robinson Robinson

            June 8, 2017 at 11:49 am

            Stacey. Manny is very, very, very good. But great? He SHOULD BE … I agree, Top 10 MVP voting 3 times? Tell me, how does that compare to Trout & Harper? How does that compare to another AL 3rd baseman Josh Donaldson? Heck, he’s not even the top 3rd baseman in the American League for crying out loud!

            Great is 16 straight gold gloves, great is a 30-30-.300 guy. Great doesn’t pout. Great runs ground balls out and respects the game. Great is portrayed by having a statue in center field. Great is a HOF’er. I can’t see Hall of Fame or statue being erected for this kid yet. Not the way he carries himself or plays the game. And this has absolutely nothing to do with chains, orange shoes or a generational divide. (Heck I LOVE high socks .. these guys should be MADE to wear them that way .. old timey-like) This has all to do with mannerisms, body language, and a general professionalism that truly GREAT players have. Trout .. Harper .. they’re great, and they too are young. THEY will be in the hall of fame. It’s obvious. Manny? I can only hope for it at this point. Ya’ll may not believe me, but I root for him as hard as the next guy or girl. I promise you I do. I watch his every move. Great? Not yet he isn’t.

            Great? We throw this word around much, much too easily.

          • Stacey

            June 8, 2017 at 11:55 am

            Boog –

            1) At least half of the things that you’ve mentioned cannot be achieved until someone is near or at retirement age! Manny is 24.

            2) Mike Trout is a once-in-a-generation (or perhaps even rarer) talent. It’s not fair to compare anyone else playing now to him. If Trout stays healthy and playing near his current level over the long haul, he’ll be in the conversation for best baseball player EVER. As for Harper, he has finished in the top 10 in the MVP race once. You can give it more credit because he won if you like, but that’s the answer to your question.

            3) As to your objections to his body language and other silly things, I believe you know how I feel about that.

            Manny has been great.

          • Boog Robinson Robinson

            June 8, 2017 at 1:00 pm

            Stacey,

            1. Let’s nit pick and call Manny 25, since he will be in less than a month.
            2. You also mentioned a generational and “cultural” divide. Age I’ll give you.. I’ve given it away, but how do you know what culture I’m from?
            3. I whole heartedly disagree with you when you lump body language with the word “silly” .. body language can be very telling.
            4. As far as being ‘silly’, yes, I can be. If you had been reading this site since it’s inception, you’d know that 55% of what I say, is said tongue in cheek, with the intent of providing levity or silliness. At least I try the levity thing although I’m not sure I get there. I’m a comedian in my own mind.
            5. Why picking on Manny?. I do so only because I hold his talent in such high regard. I expect greatness from him. But let me add this, if Adam Jones had 3/4 the physical gifts of Manny Machado, we’d be calling him Mike Trout.
            6. Picking on Manny again …. people here talk of how hard Manny has worked to get here. I’m not so sure. 1st off, baseball is NOT work. Maybe traveling, putting up with the press etc is work. But baseball is a little boys game. Ask 90% of the men that follow the game, and they’d tell you they’d do it for meal money. Manny got where he is because the universe placed a hand on his head at birth, and gave him his other-worldly talent. He barely had a cup of coffee in the minor leagues.
            7. Specifically the throw last night … OK … last week, a piece was done on this site as to how our 3rd string catcher made a terrible throw to 3rd that cost us 2 runs and possibly the game. Nobody mentioned boo about last nights off balance, and in my opinion, “hotdog” if not hurried throw by our “superstar”. Why is that? Why chastise our AAA catcher … wait AA catcher .. and not our best player for basically the same offense? Think about it.

            8. Most important … It’s great to have a female (I assume because of the name) in this forum! I truly am sorry if I offended you.

            9. EVEN MORE IMPORTANTLY …. Lets GO O’s !!!!

          • Stacey

            June 8, 2017 at 1:25 pm

            Boog –

            I guess I missed all of the comments saying that Francisco Pena made that error because he’s a lazy showboat. If they had, I’d take the same umbrage that I do when people claim every mistake by Manny is because he doesn’t care enough. There was an article about that play (well, partial article, it was one of several topics) because it was a key moment in the outcome of the game, not because people like to pretend that Manny is perfect.

            As you said yourself, SubZero made a good argument when he pointed out that physical errors happen to everyone, even the best players around. But when Manny makes one, people (not just you, I see it around the internet) are always so tired of him being a showboating hot dog. When J.J. Hardy makes a poor throw we all like to complain about it, but no one ever talks about how his head is in the clouds.

            I think that fielding percentage is a very incomplete way to judge defense, but since you said he could never compare to Brooks in an earlier comment, let’s check it out. Over his career Brooks had a .971 fielding percentage and so far in his career Manny’s is .968. To me .003 is pretty darn comparable. Man that Brooksie must have been one fundamentally unsound so and so!

          • Paul Folkemer

            June 8, 2017 at 1:27 pm

            Boog– I’m going to hone in on point #6, because I think you’re way off the mark on that one.

            It’s absurd, and frankly insulting to professional athletes, to say that playing major league baseball isn’t work. Of course it’s work. It’s a tremendous amount of work. Every day, these players need to keep themselves in shape, keep working out, keep perfecting their skills, keep grinding it out on the field for 162 games a year while traveling thousands of miles, all while trying to win games against players who are doing all those same things, and all while performing their jobs in front of millions of fans who will criticize them or call for their heads for every mistake. It’s an incredibly intense, high-pressure job.

            Nobody just stumbles their way into the major leagues like you’re implying Manny did. Every player who makes it that far does so because their hard work, and their talent, got them there.

            Just because baseball is a game that some people play for fun doesn’t mean it’s not work. That’s like saying, “I sometimes grow vegetables in a garden outside my house as a hobby. That means that being a farmer isn’t real work.”

            Try telling a professional baseball player, or any athlete, that what they do isn’t work. I think they would very much beg to differ.

          • Boog Robinson Robinson

            June 8, 2017 at 1:43 pm

            You’ve definitely got a point Paul. If I had only worked as hard as Manny, I could’ve been a major leaguer. Darn!
            Please please, I’m joking. I know baseball is hard work. I’d rather be spreading asphalt, or collecting trash, or cleaning highway rest stops

            OK… but I’ve got a job that I’ve got to get back to! (irony .. get it?)

          • Boog Robinson Robinson

            June 8, 2017 at 2:14 pm

            Stacy, show me where I EVER used the word ‘lazy’ alongside Machado. Showboat, hotdog, immature … but never lazy. And I never said he doesn’t work or care either.

            All I said today, was that he should have planted his feet on that throw that be BLEW. He normally makes the showboat throw, but not last night he didn’t.

            That is all I ever said.

            THIS SITE commented on Pena’s throw. So I asked why Manny’s isn’t critiqued?

            As far as the reason I never commented on Pena, it’s simply because it wasn’t a showboat throw. He threw while on balance and off the right foot! Everybody makes mistakes. It happens. The reason I commented on Manny’s throw is because it was completely avoidable Some mistakes are compounded in my opinion, due to a lack of respect to the fundamentals of the game. I assure you, there has NEVER been a baseball coach in the history of baseball, that coached a player to the throw ball off the wrong foot while being off balance while still having MORE than enough time to set their feet. I never said lazy either. Please don’t put words in my mouth.

            And what the heck has JJ got to do with this?

    • Dan Connolly

      June 8, 2017 at 10:52 am

      Just remember all, we have opinions. Not always gonna agree. Just keep it to the game and not make it personal. This forum has been different than a lot of the other ones out there because we don’t bitch at each other. Let’s keep it that way. (Or I’ll make sure we keep it that way.) We all can disagree and move on. Nothing to see here.

      • Boog Robinson Robinson

        June 8, 2017 at 10:57 am

        I’m sorry Dan … please don’t revoke my membership .. I live for this site!

      • Stacey

        June 8, 2017 at 11:13 am

        Sorry Dan 🙁

    • Dan Connolly

      June 8, 2017 at 12:00 pm

      No worries. Just don’t want to lose great commenters due to personal barbs. I like the interaction tho.

    • aase_ho

      June 8, 2017 at 6:07 pm

      And he dropped the ball! The throw was on the money and Cutch was out. But then he dropped the ball to cry about a bruise. Its like he doesn’t even care about the team. All me, me, me.

      Back in the day when men were men, and respect had respect, and ric flair was the nature boy, and teddy roosevelt took a bullet and kept talking, lingering and loitering on lawns was a sure sign of red commie infiltration.

  3. Wade Warren

    June 8, 2017 at 10:18 am

    I happen to agree with Blog Robinson. This fame has gone to Manny’s head and it is hurting his play. When a player is told he is a super star it effects their play like not running balls out. With all that being said I still hope the Orioles someway somehow resign him

    • Wade Warren

      June 8, 2017 at 10:19 am

      sorry Boog Robinson dann auto correct meant Boog

    • Paul Folkemer

      June 8, 2017 at 10:30 am

      I think it’s awfully presumptuous to claim to know what’s going on inside a player’s head just by watching him play.

      To suggest that “the fame has gone to Manny’s head” is, to me, off base. Manny was famous last year, too. And the year before that. And he was very, very good those years. You don’t stop being good at baseball just because you become famous.

      I’m also confused about your comment that when a player is told he is a superstar, he stops running balls out. I’m not sure where that’s coming from, but it doesn’t seem based on any evidence.

      • Boog Robinson Robinson

        June 8, 2017 at 10:50 am

        Paul … If you had to pick … Would you argue that a fringe major league player struggling to stay in the bigs would be more/less or just as likely to run balls out? (but you’re right … it IS presumptuous)

  4. Wade Warren

    June 8, 2017 at 10:38 am

    I don’t like his hitting approach at all it has changed and I have seen it in tv with not running balls out. You never see Jones dogging it.

    • Dan Connolly

      June 8, 2017 at 10:55 am

      I do think there has been some lack in concentration on Manny’s part at times. It has been something addressed in internally in the past. I also imagine there is some frustration his part this year and that can bleed over at times. Again, he’s 24. And a tremendous talent. I think there is some picking nits. But he’ll be the first to tell you he wants to be the best at all times.

    • Boog Robinson Robinson

      June 8, 2017 at 11:55 am

      Ditto that Wade

  5. TxBirdFan

    June 8, 2017 at 11:37 am

    I align with The comments about Manny’s lack of concentration, but to put a positive spin in it, if he misses any games I hope he comes back like Adam Jones has come back from his injury. Adam’s offense has picked up over the past week.

  6. Bancells Moustache

    June 8, 2017 at 1:29 pm

    Now that everyone has finished shouting at one another, a perspective; Machado has always been a headcase. He has previously displayed all the self control of Charlie Sheen on weekend bender in Thailand. He seemed to be turning the corner and the other cheek after the Boston headhunting incident, although the now legendary F bomb interview may have tempered that a bit. Time will tell. I do think it is obvious that pressure, rather than fame, is getting to him because if look past all the hype and just the numbers you will see this;

    Manny Machado is not a superstar.

    Everyone is talking about the 400 million its supposedly going to take to retain him, I ask you to show me the season where Machado proved himself worthy of that number. As gifted as he may be, Machado’s career offensive performance has no business in the same discussion as Harper, let alone Trout. If I were an MLB owner and Manny dropped his current body of work down on my desk and said give me 300 million, I’d laugh and tell him to get the hell out of my office. He’s been good, not great. Magnificent defensively, but so was Rey Ordonez. He has the potential, but so have plenty of others. Before we call him Brooks Robinson, he needs to prove he isn’t Eric Chavez. Home Runs make resumes look awful pretty. This is why Machado, struggling to put the ball in play, now takes swings that nearly kill 12 people in the front row.

    • Wade Warren

      June 8, 2017 at 1:42 pm

      I NEVER SHOUTED.LOL We need to agree to disagree at time sure don’t want to tick off the leader DANO

    • Boog Robinson Robinson

      June 8, 2017 at 2:04 pm

      $300 laughable? As much as I agree with what you’ve said I dunno ‘Stache … let’s not forget how much did Crush got.

      • Bancells Moustache

        June 8, 2017 at 3:30 pm

        Crush became Mark McGwire with country gravy in 2013, putting up Ruthian numbers. He hit more dingers than anyone on Earth between 2013 and 2015. Where is that season on Machado’s books?

        • Boog Robinson Robinson

          June 8, 2017 at 4:42 pm

          As usual .. you DO have a point.

        • aase_ho

          June 8, 2017 at 6:32 pm

          Chris Davis 2013-15 (age 27-29) WAR = 13.5
          Manny Machado 2013-15 (age 20 -22) WAR = 16.2

          Manny will be paid top 5 player type money. And it will be to the detriment of the organization if that money is not coming from the Os.

  7. Osfan73

    June 8, 2017 at 2:16 pm

    I too see some of the things about Manny mentioned above but could it be the rest of the league is or has adjusted to his game, and that he’s merely trying to figure out how to re-adjust?

    • Dan Connolly

      June 8, 2017 at 8:14 pm

      This again is an overall statement to all and not just an answer to one commenter. The guy is 24. I’m not sure what he’ll become: A Hall of Famer or just a very good player. But his body of work has been exceptionally impressive for a guy his age who has already overcome 2 knee surgeries since becoming a big leaguer. I guess my point is that whoever shells out $300-$400 million will be doing so for what they think will happen. Normally in free agency, guy’s get paid for what they did previously. But he’s not 28 or 30 or 32 when the eventual windfall occurs. He’ll be 26, which is generally viewed as entering baseball prime. To paraphrase Boog paraphrasing a movie. He’ll get paid, Ray. He’ll get paid.

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